Type 1 Diabetics...

[optimumhealth]

The animals that these people were eating were also much more nutritious than anything we will see in our lifetimes.  I eat very little carbs, but zero carbs with the available foods out there makes this near impossible to undertake.  I am not saying it can't be done, but would be tough and I don't know how long people would live with zero carbs....not just taking breads and pastas out, this would require zero fruits and zero veggies.  Where would the vitamins, minerals and enzymes come from?  Steroid filled livestock?  I guess if I would hunt my own foods in remote areas of the world that are not industrialized I may be able to get nutritious meat.  Perhaps it is time to go Into the Wild??

[peter]

There are westerners in the world today who follow completely carnivrous diets, and some have done so for over four decades. Moreover, there have been strict laboratory studies conducted by renowned doctors with westerners who follow a carnivorous diet. And guess what, these people exhibit perfect health. I am tired today, so i don't feel like getting into a discussion about this matter at the present time, but i will point you in the direction of one man who has been living in a carnivirous fashion, with no supplements, for over forty years. I think you will find the thread fascinating. Keep in mind if you decide to read, that this man is no dumbass. I think you may be surprised about what you read regarding the organic movement:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013

[Tauwin]

Hi OptiumH- I just want to comment that I watched that Into the Wild movie this weekend and it really made me mad - that guy was an idiot and he was suppose to have a high IQ???  People need people.  He was selfish in not respecting his family and had no respect for animals around him -killing a moose for one person to live on?? with no way of refridgeration?? and with a Gun?? yeah- real big man I must say- The scene with the Bear summed up the whole movie-the Bear just grunted as he passed the dude by as if to say "you are out of your element- get out of here"- that dude got what he asked for.  anyway.....thats all...

[optimumhealth]

Sounds interesting, but as far as him being no dumbass, perhaps, but no genius either as his grasp of the english language somewhat suspect.  Not typo's, but bad spelling.  The people that adopt a protein and fat only diet must be able to get good quality meats.....not so easy in today's cities. 
And Tauwin, not everybody needs people....certain not all the time.  The movie was, in my opinion, about somebody that had enough of the way the world turned out and wanted to live, really live, the way he saw it, before he died.  I feel he never had any intentions on returning from this trip until he got lonely, which he stated for all to see in his writings.  It was a movie about one man acting out on what alot of us feel but are afraid to do.
People only need people if they need something from them.  Whether it be for mating, fighting, or companionship, people use people for gain...even if the gain isn't at first recognizable.

[Tauwin]

I hear what you are saying- but I don't like the negative feel to 'needing' people as if am I trying to 'gain' something from them.   We are All Relations- I think it is important as Warriors to stick together, this World is a mess.  I just don't think the attitude /decision of the guy in the movie to go off alone and 'live as he saw it' was productive to our current mess - the only thing it changed was causing grief to those that loved him- the disconnect to the world in which he felt, only left him disrespectful and selfish towards it - again negative promoting negative- no way for a Warrior to live-I have felt bitter too but realize that is no way to live healthy -all of us here are trying to be healthy right?-Respect Mother Earth- take only what you need and live to be a server to all that is living and that needs your help-Peace!

[optimumhealth]

It was a classic 2 wrongs don't make a right.
It was a true story.....based on one anyway...who really knows how many details were accurate though.  What I was referring to with gains, you may not know you are getting is sometimes people do things for other people to make themselves feel better, or to get the praise for the action....not so much the other receiving the gain from the action.

[peter]

Optimumhealth, to suggest that one is not a genius simply because they make spelling errors is erroneous, especially considering that the person made spelling errors on a blog. The man was able to read by himself when he was only two years of age. His father and grandfather were also highly intelligent. But that is neither here nor there. I think that if you spent some time reading and questioning the thread, you might qestion your own statement, "The people that adopt a protein and fat only diet must be able to get good quality meats.....not so easy in today's cities". I assume you were referring to the organic versus non-organic movement when you made this statement. Well, either way, i don't feel the urge to discuss this matter further. Optimumhealth to you, sir.

[optimumhealth]

Organic vs Non organic isn't all it is cracked up to be.  When we live in a world where one farmer can be certified organic because he is grass feeding animals out in a pasture with no added growth hormones or chemical fertilizers, this does not stop the neighboring farm from making there own land totally polluted and damaging the food source and water supply of the organic farm.  Air pollution and acid rain, to name 2, are reasons to believe that the food we get that is certified organic, isn't as "clean" as we may hope it is.
That is enough of this thread, as it is way off it's original topic that was meant for diabetics.  Not people throwing their 2 cents in when they don't understand.

[peter]

I was going to go away quietly after my last post on this topic, but since you suggested that i "do not understand" i had to offer a rebuttal. Let me tell you, sir, i do understand. I understand enough to prevent myself from getting diabetes. Secondly, i have helped diabetics get off all medications through diet and exercise advice. In short, while i may not have diabetes myself, i am well-versed in this area.

[optimumhealth]

Now you are assuming that I was referring to you and that I was whining, also that Diabetes is perhaps something that you catch??  Type 2 diabetes is avoidable, sure I will give you that, but how about when people are born with auto-immune disease, or get it as a baby, does your coaching help those people?  I do not really care if you are well versed in what the medical "experts" have written about the disease, if you do not have it, you do not understand how living with it is.  Kind of like somebody losing a child, if it hasn't happened to you, you have no idea.
I wonder how this became a personal attack thread, when it was intended for diabetics to post their WD experiences, yet, only one of the people who replied was actually a diabetic??  Weird.......

[Webmaster]

Keep it cool, guys, or take it offline in PM's. Otherwise I'm locking this thread.

[optimumhealth]

Thank you.  It did not go as intended.