omega 3s- ori's opinion

[jma2691]

What does Ori think of this?

http://www.nutri-spec.net/nl/2005-11.html

[energizer]

I think I made a post about something like this somewhere else in the forum. The claim that all unsaturated fats are inherently unhealthy is something I have read before in other articles though it seems rather rash, but I fully agree that eating unsaturated fat without a large ammount of saturated fat is dangerous because they are very vulnerable to free radical damage. Another claim I have read is that the damage supposedly done by omega 6 not neccaserily the result of the omega 6, but rancid omega 6 since nearly all vegetable oils are rancid. We have all heard we get too much omega 6 and too little omega 3 but most omega 6 is destroyed and modified in the processing of the products they are in so usable unaltered omega 6 is actually quite scarce in people's diet.

[DN Moderator]

What does Ori think of this?

http://www.nutri-spec.net/nl/2005-11.html

Quite honestly, reading this man's claims about N-3s made Ori angry.  He's very busy right now and just doesn't have time to write a treatise on the importance of Omega 3s.  At any rate, he thinks that this guy's claims are totally wrong and unfounded.  He's written about N-3's importance in the the new WD book, and also extensively in the upcoming Max Muscle, Min Fat book - due out in the spring.

[Parisrose]

Moderator ~ I am so glad to hear that Ori disagrees with the claim made in that article.  One guy's "propoganda" cannot erase the numerous, well-researched scientific articles done on the nutritional value of Omega 3s.  I googled Guy Schenker, D.C. and found some interesting commentary on some of the products he pushes and in particular, Nutri-Spec:

NUTRI-SPEC Testing Is Pseudoscientific Nonsense
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
... "Simply put, NUTRI-SPEC is pseudoscientific nonsense. If you encounter a practitioner who uses it, please ask your state attorney general to investigate."

In other words... it's reader beware.  There is a fortune to be made on the internet pushing and peddling products.  It's so easy to fall prey to "well written" material.  When you've been around the block a time or two, it gets much easier to weed out the hype.  Ori's work is based on good old common sense, research and vast experience.  I trust his judgement completely.  His approach mirrors many respected practitioners in getting back to the basics of eating well and filling the body with nutritional power.  As Jack Lalanne was quoted as saying, "If man made it, don't eat it."

[charleslong]

As Jack Lalanne was quoted as saying, "If man made it, don't eat it."

But Jack Lalanne drinks protein shakes made with soy protein isolate. Go figure.

Charles

[DN Moderator]

Well, I guess we'll have to send Jack some of Ori's articles on soy protein isolates.

[H2O]

I googled Guy Schenker, D.C. and found some interesting commentary on some of the products he pushes and in particular, Nutri-Spec:

NUTRI-SPEC Testing Is Pseudoscientific Nonsense
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
... "Simply put, NUTRI-SPEC is pseudoscientific nonsense. If you encounter a practitioner who uses it, please ask your state attorney general to investigate."

In other words... it's reader beware.  There is a fortune to be made on the internet pushing and peddling products.

Just found this forum, interesting stuff and it seems like a good resource. 

I found this post while Googling through some material, and wanted to make an alternate statement.  Sorry to bump this up, though it's only a couple weeks old, so not so bad. 

I don't put much weight to Barrett's opinions.  He is a very bitter person, who obviously pays heavily for his advertising, since ChiroBase and his other domains come up in the top of many searches that contain things he opposes.  And that includes just about anything non-allopathic. 

I don't think he's useless, and haven't met him in person, so I won't slander him...  But I will say that he's been laughed out of court for his cases on a few occasions, for having no actual facts to back his cases, just a lot of slander.  Last I heard, he was moving from PA to NC.  Maybe to try again, I've no idea...

I agree that internet research has to be taken with a grain of salt, but there's a lot of VERY respectable MDs/DCs/whatever who use programs like Nutri-Spec or others.  So it's not all hocus-pocus, internet-only jabber. 

Yes this is my first post, and yes I know that newbies are often ignored.  But I just wanted to chime in, on this one.  If you want a little objectivity to Barrett, one site to check out is www.quackpotwatch.org

[Parisrose]

Hi H20 - thanks for the link.  Actually, I had never heard of Mr. Barrett before posting a snippet of his commentary.  And, I knew nothing about him at all until you provided that link.  I think at the time I posted that short snippet, I was googling Mr. Schenker to try and understand where he was coming from because his opinions on Omega 3s contradicted all the positive things I've heard about Omega 3s.  I came across Mr. Barrett's opinions of Mr. Schenker and without fully investigating who Mr. Barrett was, I hastily posted a portion of his comment against an entirely different product.  I guess what is learned here is that it is so easy to discredit someone via a web audience.  Hidden agendas play a big part, which seems to be what both of these men have to some degree.  I don't fully understand or agree with Mr. Schenker's agenda against Omega 3s and I have even less respect for Mr. Barrett after visiting the link you provided.  Thanks for your input.