Phase 1: Detox- Feeling super hungry, but don't want to eat more

[helgatheviking]

Subject says it all.  i do not feel sated, but my stomach does not feel like forcing down any more gruel.  Obviously i have some improving to do in my culinary game.... though i think was a decent chef, just not in the WD-vein.  i just can't get excited about eating 2 bowls of vegetables, so dinner is missing that end of the day joyful "feast" feeling. 

I've loosely followed the day-time undereating for a while now so that isn't so bad.  now i am trying to get the overeating phase in order, but so far (and admittedly it has only been a few days) i am very hungry during the day b/c i know my "meal" hasn't been enough. 

somebody please tell me that either 1. i am doing detox wrong or that 2. it gets a lot better after the detox week.

cheers

[Dano3000]

Have you read the fat loss e-book? (must read, btw. So much is clarified.)
Detox recommends grains and beans mixed together for vegetarian protein. Though, I myself have no prob just eating tons of cooked veggies with a little fat and seasonings, if its not satisfying you its obviously too little and I would get some beans in ya
Canned beans work well enough. Though if you want to cook, lentils only take 30 minutes without soaking.
What veggies are you cooking, and how are you preparing them (if you don't mind me asking)?

[fdnyceguy]

Since you're doing the detox phase, I'd assume you've read either The Warrior Diet Fat Loss Program or The Anti-Estrogenic Diet. If not, besides buying the aforementioned E-book, I'd apply Dano's advice.

Combining grains and legumes 1:1, coupled with a large serving of vegetables and hummus (if you choose), should satiate most appetites.

As for hunger during the day, welcome to the Warrior Diet lifestyle...

Fortunately, familiarity will make the experience easier. In addition, as with most fasting and detoxification programs, the initial experience may be unpleasant. Fasting, fat loss, and other aspects of the diet will, initially, raise toxin levels in the system. Don't worry, it is necessary, a good thing, and well worth it.

Like Dano, I'm curious about your menu, as well as you activity level. Keep us posted of your progress.

[helgatheviking]

Thank you both for the replies. 

I did buy and read the ebook, and while it was repetitive it was far clearer than the original WD book.  So I am trying to follow it as described, which is starting w/ the salad, eating a bowl of vegetables, and then some sort of beans/rice/lentil concoction. 

The bowl of vegetables is hard for me to eat, but it seems to be a staple of the WD that you must eat all the courses in the proper order.    I've gotten to be able to eat way more veggies than i ever dreamed of as a kid, but a bowl of them just doesn't do much for me.  and it definitely doesn't trigger any feelings of satiety.  the salad is ok, as long as i mix a decent vinaigrette.  though my favorite salads call for cheeses and nuts.  is that ok at some point? 

so far i've had a spinach/mixed green salad... cukes, radishes, onions, and cherry tomatoes. 

one night i had a bowl of steamed cauliflower, onions and green beans w/ cajun seasoning.  the other i can't remember, but it was a similar mix of 3 steamed veggies- maybe onions,  carrots, and zucchini. 

one night i had quinoia, black beans and some vegetables.  last night i had black beans and brown rice w/ vegetables... which turned out tasting what i think cement must taste like... and it just did not sit well.  my co-conspirator,  whom i have roped into this for a while, also reported feeling very bloated on the rice.  and tonight i skipped the bowl of veggies- had leftover salad, ate as much of last night's beans and rice as i could bear and then made curried green lentils w/ hard-boiled eggs and some vegetables (of course).  the lentil/egg concotion went down way better and i almost felt full there for a while.

hunger during the day is what i expect w/ the WD, but i wouldn't mind it if i could achieve the "feast" feeling in the evening and i feel very deprived if i go to bed hungry.  maybe i am reading it wrongly, but there isn't supposed to be much fat the first week right?  i think that is what is driving me crazy. 

sidenote- how important is organic?  i know Ori says to go organic, but everything organic is a bit out of my price range. 

activity-wise i am doing 2x per week for about 1hr + 20 minute of footquickness stuff beforehand, 2- 2hr handball practices/week and 2 fartlek/interval-style workouts per week.  outside of that i'm a web designer and so pretty sedentary. 

[Dano3000]

I never restrict the amount of veggies I eat, personally. After a while you legitimately crave them. I'm talking pounds (measured raw) or brocc, carrots, collards and kale and the like. Cooked up with onions and tomatoes, dressed with lecithin granules and all that good stuff.
I'd feel crummy too if I just had "a bowl." I myself would recommend eating more cooked veggies, and getting some beans and rice seasoning from the store.
http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/black-beans-and-rice/Detail.aspx
There's a reason a lot of cultures eat beans and rice outside of the economic ones. If prepared properly, with the correct seasonings, its damn good. The curried lentils was a good idea, too.
You are not getting full simply because you are not eating enough calories, imo. Let yourself get full, once a day, and go from there.

[helgatheviking]

well i am not restricting the amount of veggies so much as i just can't stand to eat more of them.  i am definitely not quite getting enough calories, but my stomach rebels at the idea of eating more veggies, and it definitely didn't like the beans and rice, though i think that was largely my fault for making it taste terrible.  the lentils were a lot more palatable (and combined w/ eggs quite filling), and i might try to use them more- they feature pretty heavily in vegetarian indian recipes.  i appreciate the link, i have never had much success making beans taste good. 

[Marcyk]

I suggest you experiment with different combinations of cooked vegetables. I tried buying a bag of frozen mixed vegetables to make meal preparation easier, but when I make those I just don't feel like eating a lot.   But, some days I just look up a recipe on the internet that contains a few kinds of vegetables that are in my fridge.  On these days, sometimes the vegetable dish tastes good enough that I want to eat a lot. Spinach, Carrots, lemon juice, and olive oil was really good. 

[Jacksonmelkor]

A nice trick to controlling how much you eat it so leave your food on the stove and serve yourself there instead of bringing pots and dishes to serve from to your table. Out of sight means easier to eat less. Also, hide the stuff you like to eat the most in your fridge, and put the fibrous veggies right in front of you. Again, what you don't see is harder to tempt you. Good luck!