Meal timing?

[Jock191]

Hey everybody. My name is Jon and I am starting the AED on this coming Sunday which is April 12, 2009. I did the WD for a few weeks before and lost a few lbs. I’m a 25 yr old male at 5'8, 297lbs and 33% bf. Like a few others on here I would like to lose close to 100 lbs in fat. My goal is to weigh anywhere between 200 and 215lbs at less than 12% BF. Ok, so now that you guys know a little bit about me on to my question. I don’t really have a question about the diet itself per se but more about the timing of the overeating phase. I’m a bouncer so I work nights. I do this 6 days a week from 10pm until 4 and 5am. For the sake of this program I would like to be in bed by 6 or 7am every day and wake up around 2 or 3 pm so I get a full 8 hrs of sleep. I guess my question is this: What do you guys think is better to do, have my overeating phase before I go to work or should I have it when I got home from work and then go to sleep?

[ChenZhen]

after work, it would be against the WD principles if you ate your main meal before you have to be "active".

[Jock191]

Yes I understand that but if I have been awake from 2pm until 10 pm thats already 8 hours of no food. By the time I'm done with work I would have had an undereating phase of a minium of 14 hours. Then atleast another hr to get home from work settle down and cook the food. Then stuff my face and go right to sleep? That didnt make sense to me and that is why I asked the question b/c from what I gathered most people only have around 10 hrs or undereating.

[clake16]

I think you misunderstood people on here .... most of us have an 18 hr fasting/undereating period and a 4 hr eating window.

[Rachel421]

 one thing i learned that helped me put fasting into perspective was, a full 18hrs after eating , you are still in a postabsorptive state.  real fasting doesnt occur 'till then.  even at a 20hr fast, the autolysis is kept to a tiny daily nibble, that will only effect the inferior proteins/fats/growths that need to go anyway.   autolysis is a very discriminating process. the body doesnt just go eating its stores randomly.    you'd have to fast for a long long time to get into any valuable muscle loss.    cheers!

[clake16]

Jon,

Not to be rude, but it doesn't matter where you ask the question ... here or DD, it doesn't change the fact the AED and WD are basically the same diet.  They both are based on 18  hours of under-eating/fasting.  People that follow those diets utilize the 18 hours window, not 10.  If you get replies from other using 10 hours, they are not following the diet, but some other version.  The best thing I can tell you is try it with 18 hours.  You seem to have a mental block.  That is natural.  You have been taught your whole life somethign different.  Try this out and prove it to yourself. 

Chris

[Jock191]

Jon,

Not to be rude, but it doesn't matter where you ask the question ... here or DD, it doesn't change the fact the AED and WD are basically the same diet.  They both are based on 18  hours of under-eating/fasting.  People that follow those diets utilize the 18 hours window, not 10.  If you get replies from other using 10 hours, they are not following the diet, but some other version.  The best thing I can tell you is try it with 18 hours.  You seem to have a mental block.  That is natural.  You have been taught your whole life somethign different.  Try this out and prove it to yourself. 

Chris

Chris I should have made note of sleeping when I was speaking about the under eating phase but I didn’t figure I had to b/c obviously you are not eating while you are sleeping. So yeah if you sleep for 8 hrs and then are awake for 10 before you eat, yes it would be 18 hrs of fasting but in reality its 10 hrs a day while being awake of fasting. Also Clark I asked the question on both forums hoping to get some more answers b/c at the time I only had one reply to my question and I was unaware that this website was frequented as much as DD.

[Jock191]

So Chris do you have any more feed back for me?

[clake16]

Not sure what you still need answers to.  I would def say wait until after you get off work to eat.  Have you tried doing that yet?  The most important thing I found with this lifestyle is to experiment with yourself.  Everyone is different.  Just try things out and see how they work for you.  I've had days where stuff comes up and I have to "work" after my meal and I didn't have any major isssues.  In general, I usually get real sluggish after my meal. 

One thing you could do is adjust when you sleep so that your meal fits into your schedule better.

We're happy to help you out on here, Jon, but it helps to ask more specific questions so we know how to direct our answers. 

[Jock191]

Yes I normally eat after work. Its different than the way everyone else eats though b/c I eat my salad then the greens then the rice and beans(for detox) like its all just one big meal. I dont have a break b/c if I did I wouldnt be going to sleep until 10 or 11am. Now let me get something stright about the AED. Unlike the WD with the AED durring the detox you eat meat as well? So it would be a large salad, 2 to 3 cups of greens, 1 cup rice, 1 cup beans and then like 8 oz fish also? The WD is the same just without the fish? So I take it that it is not a good idea to try and eat the whole meal as one big meal b/c you wouldnt be able to eat as much? Also if I were to have pizza or something I would do that on my Carb day right, or would it be high fat day? I guess I am confusing myself b/c there is no real set amount to eat. I always used to seeing the whole eat 1cup of this 8oz of that and so on and so forth.

[Dano3000]

Measuring wont work on the warrior diet, common sense will. You are going to eat one meal a day, until you are full.
Pizza is a poor food to eat in general, as it is a combination of fat and carbs. If you are going to eat it, something I'm sure we would all not recommend be done on a regular basis, have one or two slices with lots of veggies or something. Really you shouldnt be touching the stuff, as the chemicals used in making it (store bought, delivery, and probably otherwise) are ridiculous and precisely the thing we should all be avoiding.

[Jock191]

Measuring wont work on the warrior diet, common sense will. You are going to eat one meal a day, until you are full.
Pizza is a poor food to eat in general, as it is a combination of fat and carbs. If you are going to eat it, something I'm sure we would all not recommend be done on a regular basis, have one or two slices with lots of veggies or something. Really you shouldnt be touching the stuff, as the chemicals used in making it (store bought, delivery, and probably otherwise) are ridiculous and precisely the thing we should all be avoiding.

I know I shouldn’t be eating pizza. It’s not something I do regularly now as it is. I was just asking if I happened to do so when would be the best time to do it. You know if I were to attend a super bowl party or something along those lines. I’m not talking about this every day or anything. Even now before starting the diet, I only eat pizza MAYBE once every 2 or 3 months.  Also Dano3000 I took the measurements I used right out of the book so I do not understand what you mean by it takes common sense and not measurements?

[Dano3000]

I mean that from a realistic perspective, measuring out your foot while eating one meal a day will make you go absolutely insane and take all the enjoyment out of it. You really can just eat the right food in the right combination's until you are full, you don't have to measure it all out obsessively and turn it into a ritual. Measuring int listening to your body. Measuring isn't learning how to eat instinctively, and measuring is work. Your main meal should be work, it should be a highly enjoyable experience that you can look forward too every day. Eating instinctively > eating portions.
As far as the pizza is concerned, the best TIME to do it is just like any other food. Eat it at night. If you want to get more specific, and if someone forced me to eat pizza, I would eat it like so:
Salad
A slice of pizza with more salad
Veggies and a slice of pizza
Basically I would treat it like nuts, and use it sparingly. 2-3 pieces tops, the rest should be good healthy food.

[clake16]

Yes I normally eat after work. Its different than the way everyone else eats though b/c I eat my salad then the greens then the rice and beans(for detox) like its all just one big meal. I dont have a break b/c if I did I wouldnt be going to sleep until 10 or 11am. Now let me get something stright about the AED. Unlike the WD with the AED durring the detox you eat meat as well? So it would be a large salad, 2 to 3 cups of greens, 1 cup rice, 1 cup beans and then like 8 oz fish also? The WD is the same just without the fish? So I take it that it is not a good idea to try and eat the whole meal as one big meal b/c you wouldnt be able to eat as much? Also if I were to have pizza or something I would do that on my Carb day right, or would it be high fat day? I guess I am confusing myself b/c there is no real set amount to eat. I always used to seeing the whole eat 1cup of this 8oz of that and so on and so forth.

You should try to spread out the meal if at all possible.  You simply can't eat (well, most people anyway) enough in one setting to make up for an entire day.  Start thinking outside the box.  Take your huge salad to work with you.   Eat it before you leave since you have a bit of a drive home.  Then, start on your veggies/protien when you get home.  Wait 25 min, then finish up with whatever else you need.  That should have you done eating within an hour or so of being home.  You don't need HUGE breaks, but try to get about 25-30 min between stages.  The book recommends a 4 hour window, but some of us cut that down bc 4 hours is a long time really to devote just to cooking/eating.

As for the pizza, I would have it on a carb day.  Def. try to make it yourself if possible.

Also, meat is not allowed during AED phase 1 (detox):

I'd like to address here an issue that has been frequently raised by AEDiet followers. We often receive questions regarding what's allowed and what's not allowed in the AEDiet. People email us and call us with questions such as "are pickles allowed in Phase I of the diet?", "What if I don't like oranges or grapefruit, is there anything else?", or "What other vegetables besides broccoli and cauliflower can I use?"

Allowed Foods:

All vegetables and fruits are allowed in all three phases of the diet (except for diabetics, who should avoid fruits).
    * Fish, eggs and organic dairy are allowed in all phases of the diet (except for individuals who are allergic or sensitive to the above).
    * Nuts and seeds are allowed in Phase II and Phase III of the diet.
    * Meat, chicken, pasta and bread are allowed in Phase III of the diet (except for individuals who are reactive to any of the above or diabetic cases who should refrain from eating bread or pasta until reestablishing healthy blood sugar levels).
    * Coffee and caffeinated teas are allowed in all phases of the diet (except for individuals who are hypertensive).
    * Olive oil is allowed in all phases of the diet, as well as grapeseed and sesame seed oils.
    * Small amounts of maple sugar or rice syrup are allowed (except for diabetics).
    * Small amounts of dark chocolate (80% cacao) are allowed in Phase III (except for diabetics).

Foods to Avoid:

    * Avoid processed soy products (besides fresh soybeans, edamame or small servings of soy sauce and miso).
    * Avoid estrogen promoting spices and herbs including licorice, anise, soy isoflavones and black cohosh.
    * Avoid estrogen promoting vegetable oils such as canola, corn, safflower, and soy.
    * Avoid all sweet baked or fried foods including cookies, cakes, donuts, muffins, scones, candy bars, granola bars and chocolate coated fruits or nuts.
    * Avoid conventional (inorganic) meat and dairy.
    * Avoid soft drinks.
    * Also, avoid diet shakes and bars with artificial sweeteners, sugar alcohol or chemical additives.

"Need to Knows" about Food Combinations

To simplify things here is the most important principle:

    * Vegetables and protein foods combine with everything. This means that all vegetables and all protein foods (i.e. meat, chicken, fish, eggs and dairy) combine with every other food item.

      Note that other food groups – grains, nuts, fruits, sweets and alcohol – can certainly combine with vegetables and protein foods, but cannot combine with each other.

To reiterate:

    * Grains (bread, pasta, rice, etc.) can't combine with nuts, fruits or sweets or alcohol.
    * Nuts (almonds, pecans, walnuts, etc.) can't combine with grains, fruits or sweets.
    * Fruits can't combine with grains, nuts or alcohol.
    * Sweets can't combine with grains, nuts, fruits or alcohol.
    * Alcohol can't combine with anything except for vegetables and protein.

In conclusion, all fruits and vegetables are allowed at any time. All vegetables and protein foods can combine with every other food item. Other food groups, grains, nuts, fruits and alcohol, CANNOT combine with each other.


I took that from: http://www.defensenutrition.com/forum/index.php/topic,379.0.html


One thing I learned that if you want something you'll find a way.  If not you'll find an excuse.  This lifestyle can work with any schedule, so be creative and find a way 

[Jock191]

Thank you for that Chris. Its funny that I can read the book and still be alittle confused but you have helped me10 fold. So today one my best day so far. I feel asleep at 1am b/c I didnt have work. I woke up at 9am and did 20 mintues on the bike. I had a grapefruit at 11am and than nothing other than water until 7pm when I had a large salad. Then at 8pm I had 3 blows of broccoli and garlic then at 9pm I had 2cups or rice and 2 cups of beans and then about 40 min later I had 6oz of fish. Its 2am and I'm still awake but going to bed now. How does that look for a detox day? Tomorrow is Kettlebell Swings and TGU and some presses.