well i am not restricting the amount of veggies so much as i just can't stand to eat more of them.  i am definitely not quite getting enough calories, but my stomach rebels at the idea of eating more veggies, and it definitely didn't like the beans and rice, though i think that was largely my fault for making it taste terrible.  the lentils were a lot more palatable (and combined w/ eggs quite filling), and i might try to use them more- they feature pretty heavily in vegetarian indian recipes.  i appreciate the link, i have never had much success making beans taste good. 

Thank you both for the replies. 

I did buy and read the ebook, and while it was repetitive it was far clearer than the original WD book.  So I am trying to follow it as described, which is starting w/ the salad, eating a bowl of vegetables, and then some sort of beans/rice/lentil concoction. 

The bowl of vegetables is hard for me to eat, but it seems to be a staple of the WD that you must eat all the courses in the proper order.    I've gotten to be able to eat way more veggies than i ever dreamed of as a kid, but a bowl of them just doesn't do much for me.  and it definitely doesn't trigger any feelings of satiety.  the salad is ok, as long as i mix a decent vinaigrette.  though my favorite salads call for cheeses and nuts.  is that ok at some point? 

so far i've had a spinach/mixed green salad... cukes, radishes, onions, and cherry tomatoes. 

one night i had a bowl of steamed cauliflower, onions and green beans w/ cajun seasoning.  the other i can't remember, but it was a similar mix of 3 steamed veggies- maybe onions,  carrots, and zucchini. 

one night i had quinoia, black beans and some vegetables.  last night i had black beans and brown rice w/ vegetables... which turned out tasting what i think cement must taste like... and it just did not sit well.  my co-conspirator,  whom i have roped into this for a while, also reported feeling very bloated on the rice.  and tonight i skipped the bowl of veggies- had leftover salad, ate as much of last night's beans and rice as i could bear and then made curried green lentils w/ hard-boiled eggs and some vegetables (of course).  the lentil/egg concotion went down way better and i almost felt full there for a while.

hunger during the day is what i expect w/ the WD, but i wouldn't mind it if i could achieve the "feast" feeling in the evening and i feel very deprived if i go to bed hungry.  maybe i am reading it wrongly, but there isn't supposed to be much fat the first week right?  i think that is what is driving me crazy. 

sidenote- how important is organic?  i know Ori says to go organic, but everything organic is a bit out of my price range. 

activity-wise i am doing 2x per week for about 1hr + 20 minute of footquickness stuff beforehand, 2- 2hr handball practices/week and 2 fartlek/interval-style workouts per week.  outside of that i'm a web designer and so pretty sedentary. 

Subject says it all.  i do not feel sated, but my stomach does not feel like forcing down any more gruel.  Obviously i have some improving to do in my culinary game.... though i think was a decent chef, just not in the WD-vein.  i just can't get excited about eating 2 bowls of vegetables, so dinner is missing that end of the day joyful "feast" feeling. 

I've loosely followed the day-time undereating for a while now so that isn't so bad.  now i am trying to get the overeating phase in order, but so far (and admittedly it has only been a few days) i am very hungry during the day b/c i know my "meal" hasn't been enough. 

somebody please tell me that either 1. i am doing detox wrong or that 2. it gets a lot better after the detox week.

cheers

i lived in france for 2 years and my coach was intensely worried when i described the WD to him.  food is such an integral part of the culture over there.  it is just different... it isn't just that you aren't eating equilibré according to their standards (i found that training-wise they are a good 20 years behind the training info available in the states), but in intentionally skipping a 2 hour lunch w/ a carafe du vin, is also a cultural anomaly.  and i'd be lying if i said that wasn't an immensely enjoyable way to live.  i can hardly eat bread in the US b/c it pales in comparison to what can be found at even the crappiest of corner boulangeries. 

but i am going to agree w/ the previous poster who said not to beat yourself up so much.  look around, you will note that there are a lot of freaking, SKINNY frenchies.  they aren't all on the warrior diet.  they smoke, they drink, they love to eat and yet they still haven't given up their atrocious skinny jeans.  partly it is the smoking and the obscene amounts of café, but it is also that they don't overeat.  they really enjoy their meals, they eat slowly... meals are social events and aren't rushed.  that appreciation is a good thing to learn, and it is what i miss the most about being there.  and it probably even translates to the WD in its way. 

be better prepared next time and say non to MacDo!   bon courage.

Dano- thank you for the reply!  i wouldn't say i love green smoothies, but i have been very pleasantly surprised!  some berries and a banana go a long way to masking the cups of spinach.  they look like hell but are actually pretty tasty.  i can and do enjoy some salads now (i've come a long way since when i was a kid), but i feel that in a smoothie i can consume way more vegetables than i could possibly consume otherwise.  i definitely don't believe that fruit is evil, by any stretch, i am just pretty new to this and wanted to follow along as precisely as possible.  since food order and food pairings seem especially important in this book figured i'd ask! 

do you have a favorite site for green smoothie recipes? 

Is there a place for green smoothies on the WD?  I just read the fat loss ebook and have read the book in the past.  The "meal" always says to start w/ a big salad and then move on to steamed veggies.  not being a huge veggie fan i was wondering if it's ok to mask the veggies in a green smoothie... or if mixing in the fruits at this point defies the rules of food mixing?