what can Ori do?

[wolf]

i know this really makes little difference to all of us, but i'm still gonna ask because i'm curious.

what can Ori do?

i haven't bought the dvd's for cft or anything, and i couldn't find anything about Ori's feat on the net - y'know like best time, one rep max etc

and all the ..well quite funny...conversation about this marty guy got me thinking, what is Ori capable of? He writes about 'Super muscle'  so i'd expect something quite spectacular


 has anyone trained with him or seen videos etc??

[peter]

A few years ago, I read some reviews on testosterone nation about a collection of DVD's made by Ori. The reviewers said Ori's exercise form was pretty poor. They also said that he struggled to even lift relatively heavy weights for his size.

[HUNTER13]

Wow, somebody is actually questioning Ori. Not that I doubt Ori (the diet works great), but the question still remains to be answered, what "can" Ori do? (I am pretty sure he would beat me, well maybe). But can he fight (kickboxing, mma...), do marathons, you get the point. I have read he is in great shape, but since the diet is about actively surviving, and based around Spartans, romans and such, the ability to fight and defend come into play. Also, I havent noticed many long time followers jumping to defend Ori.

[fotakou]

I am not expecting to see any feats of awesome strength from Ori.Sure the diet works like hell but please dont forget that he is 57-58 years old.I am not saying that he can kick asses when it comes to conditioning but i am not sure about his strength.I dont worry though.If we were to support only one approach or guy in our lives then we would be one sided warriors.I personally like to use Oris diet in combination with Ross Enamait exercises.My biggest wish actually is to read a book that is written by those two since they are my two greatest inspirations when it comes to athlete way of life

[Parisrose]

I suspect that many loyal followers of Ori's way of thinking have no desire to post here because Ori has nothing to prove to anybody.  He's offered up a nutrition program with his CFT training for those of us who wish to break free of mainstream theories of weight loss.

He's very lean and muscular.  He doesn't need to lift a certain poundage of weight, run marathons, do triathlons, get up on a stage and display his physique, enter strong man events, etc to prove himself to anybody.  I know we as curious beings want to know everything about Ori and what makes him tick, but I also feel that there's a certain element of knowing and trust we have in Ori and his unique theories that make us want to learn more of what he has to offer. 

I think if you take away from this site 'anything' and practice even a small portion of it, the results of your own increased health and physical leanness will speak volumes for what Ori's mission is.  All he really wants to do is help the common man or woman improve his or her health and physique and thus offers us an 'un-mainstream' way to achieve that goal.

[peter]

Parisrose,

Your comment was fair, but missed what wolf was asking. The point that wolf seemed to be making was that Ori talks about achieving "super" muscles in terms of strength, speed, power, velocity. For someone to talk about such a thing, suggests that he would have "super" muscles. If not, the person might be taken for someone who is just blowing smoke. While Ori is lean, keep in mind that he always has been lean, even when not following the WD. This is something he himself has said in an interview he did years ago. 

[Parisrose]

Point well taken, Peter.  Perhaps "super" muscle is a relative term.  Maybe that type of muscle is one that can endure intense training more effectively and metabolize nutrients more efficiently.  Perhaps it a matter of an ability to resist fatigue and to set in motion the survival mode.

Ori's book called "The Super Muscle Workout" gives a very detailed explanation of where this idea comes from and how to work out to achieve it.  The "super" muscle is considered a Type IIA muscle fiber hybrid of the Type IIB and Type I muscles.  Ori explains that muscular performance depends on two critical factors: 1) muscle composition and 2) neuro-muscle efficiency.  The book goes into great detail, and I can't do it justice here.

To suggest that Ori does not possess "super" muscles is a bit presumptuous because it causes us to be judgmental.  Based on his current performance on what I hear comes out of his training camps, he must be on to something.

[peter]

Parisrose,

Point well taken, right back at you. Super is a relative speed. But, the way Ori defines the terms in MMMF, is suggestive of the fact that he can do some powerful lifts.

alwaysbelieve1,

To say that Ori is the WD pioneer is a bit of an overstatement. Yes, he founded the "warrior diet", but people have been eating in the fashion the WS espouses for centuries. Many hunter/gatherer tribes still do. Also, people were practising caloric restriction and undereating long before Ori's book was published. Ori simply put a masculine name to it - the Warrior Diet, which is of course catchy especially for males. Books with good titles sell. That's a fact.

You suggested that Royce Gracie was superb back in his day and compared him with Ori. That would suggest that Ori was superb back in his day. Specifically, you said, "Just like Royce he may not be at his peak anymore, but he still practices what he preaches and is as good as he can be for himself currently in his life.  I believe the exact same holds true for Ori." If Ori is not at his peak anymore, as you suggest, then what could he do when he was at his peak, which is what wolf was enquiring about in the first place. Oh, by the way, Ori often says that he is in the best condition of his life at present. Thus, you argument doesn't hold much water.

[Spartan]

Wolf,
I have been training with Ori twice a month for the past couple of years.  Each and every time we meet the drills are incredibly intense and Ori does the workout stride in stride with me.  If there is a question of whether Ori walks the walk, then pay the money, do a workshop, and see for yourself.  I have seen Ori time and time again take 20 year old trainers and fighters to the point of failure and paralysis.  At 56+ his strength, sustained strength, and fighting abilities are unmatched for this age and equal to that of a 20 year old.  I feel it is important to challenge ideas that we are not convinced about.  It is reminiscent of the challenges Bruce Lee faced. As with Bruce, Ori faces these challenges often and never disappoints.

[Dtherios]

Wolf,
Although I do understand your reasoning behind the question, a better question for you to ask is "What can Ori's training do for me"?.  While I agree that is important that anyone that promotes theories and principles should be able to walk the walk, I can assure you from my own personal experience that Ori is walking testament to what he teaches and preaches.  I am a friend and certified trainer in the WD/CFT under Ori, as well as a full instructor in Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do under Jerry Poteet, an original student of Bruce's.  I have been actively involved in the martial arts  as well as health and fitness for over 14 years.  When I first met Ori I was unable to keep up with him and his level of intensity and I am half his age!

But again,that is not the point, because we can sit here and defend viewpoints and go back and forth trying to "prove" things over the computer, but I'm not interested in wasting my time nor yours.  Thus, going back to my initial statement of restating your question to "What can Ori's training do for me"?  This way, your confidence in the WD/CFT doesn't rely on being validated by an external source, but rather your own experience and results themselves.  As far as Ori himself, he reminds me of a famous quote by an ancient Spartan king.  When asked "why Sparta doesn't have monuments and statues of Gods & Goddesses"?, he answered "Sparta doesn't need monuments, our people are the monuments themselves".  Exactly.

If you're still interested in experiencing the brutality of CFT alongside Ori, you're welcome to privately train.  Just be prepared.  Contact Ori on his website and he will guide you from there.   Any other questions, please feel free to contact me anytime.  Best, - Dimitri Therios

[peter]

Dimitri,

Informative reply. I particularly like the quote you cited in relation to the ancient Spartan king.

alwaysbelieve1,

I don't like to argue, but i like to engage in conversations that involve constructive criticism. Why? Because that's how insight can be forged. By discussing our various points of view, we can learn from one another.

[peter]

alwaysbelieve1,

Exactly. I get the feeling that you are happy to dish our your points of view, expecting others to accept them, and if they don't, they receive insult. When someone agrees with you, it's fine and dandy, but when they don't, you label the conversation an argument, and the other person an instigator. Your name "alwaysbelieve1" is perhaps indicative of this pattern. As in...alwaysbelieve in alwaysbelieve1.

Re-read some of your posts. You might find that you write in a very condescending manner, which often results in retaliation, as people don't like being made to feel like they are below someone. This is something others have brought to my attention, by the way.

[wolf]

hey guys thanks for all the interest,

lol we may have strayed from the point at times though

i think peter best understood what i meant ( and thanks for bringing things back to a point)

 and thanks dimitri and spartan for your answers, sounds like he's as hard as frozen dog shit lol

take care

[mrmojorisin]

I'll answer your question. If you look into Ori's past he was in the Israeli military(special forces). O.K enough said!

[mrmojorisin]

I can't say, but I hope that when I'm his age I can look and feel the same way he does.